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Duke Nukem 4 Never?
May 16th 2009, 20:04 MSD by OmegaFoRCe

According to Shacknews (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58519) 3D Realms is officially closing doors. What can we learn from 3D Realms' departure from the industry?
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#24 by Gunp01nt
2009-05-17 15:17:47
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#25 by gaggle
2009-05-17 15:48:29
Oh 我爱你 you.

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#26 by bago
2009-05-17 16:04:31
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֢הץЖ㊧パ you too.

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#27 by CheesyPoof
2009-05-17 17:31:58
#18 by G-Man

Playing through Mass Effect and Bioshock.

Mass Effect is boring. Haven't fired it up in a month.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#28 by G-Man
2009-05-17 17:50:54
I'm also trying to learn Japanese via the DS game. Been playing it for an hour a day for the past few months but it is slow going. I'm on lesson 46 or so now but the game has a lot of flaws and I feel like I really don't have mastery over a lot of basic concepts so I probably need a traditional book with some exercises to do to supplement the game.
#29 by Chunkstyle
2009-05-17 22:40:45
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Mass Effect was great.  Cheesy has no taste.

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#30 by Squeaky
2009-05-17 22:53:44
Mass Effect sucked. Chunkstyle has not taste.

#31 by Greg
2009-05-18 00:06:46
Mass Effect was OK, from the 15 minutes that I played. My tongue's nerves work OK.

#32 by Ergo
2009-05-18 01:41:37
#30 by Squeaky

Mass Effect sucked. Chunkstyle has not taste.

Well, you fucking hate almost everything, so you're really in no position to comment one way or another.

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#33 by Squeaky
2009-05-18 03:00:00
#32 by Ergo

#30 by Squeaky

Mass Effect sucked. Chunkstyle has not taste.

Well, you fucking hate almost everything, so you're really in no position to comment one way or another.

I don't hate almost everything. I only hate you.

#34 by Hugin
2009-05-18 03:35:36
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Mass Effect was great.

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#35 by gaggle
2009-05-18 03:46:45
TF2 Spy video. Brilliant. Don't know if its old or new, but I hadn't seen it before. My love for Valve grows.

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#36 by Milan Brezovský
2009-05-18 05:05:23
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Mass Effect was (for the most part) great. Let's meet up, Chunkstyle, we've just arrived to our room in Chicago, Division st. Staying for 2 full days, heading back to AL on Wed.

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#37 by Charles
2009-05-18 05:23:59
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Mass Effect was a great story and presentation wrapped in a mediocre game.

No.
#38 by Ergo
2009-05-18 05:37:14
Not the version I played. The game was quite good.

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#39 by Ergo
2009-05-18 05:39:20
#33 by Squeaky

[quote
I don't hate almost everything. I only hate you.
Pfft. Get in line, n00b.

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#40 by Ergo
2009-05-18 05:39:30
URK

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#41 by CheesyPoof
2009-05-18 05:56:56
The Infiltrator is a tech-savvy warrior, able to win battles by quickly disabling and killing enemies. These soldiers focus on unlocking alternate routes, gaining access to good equipment, and obtaining an advantageous position over enemies in combat

1) Tech-savvy warrior: yes, this is true. You can do damage and debuffs.
2) Win battles quickly: not so much
3) Focus on unlocking alternate routes: This is the biggest joke so far. There aren't any alternate routes.
4) Gaining access to good equipment: Doesn't seem like it. I have to use pistols in a majority of combat as I get ganked to quickly with sniper rifles (arguably good).
5) Advantageous position over enemies: See #3.

This class sounded like a cool one to play but it's the most boring one. I made the mistake of reading the class descriptions and trying to have fun.

Also, hacking mini-game is a QTE.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#42 by bago
2009-05-18 06:19:26
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Mass Effect was quite gripping.

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#43 by Jibble
2009-05-18 06:41:31
Saints Row continues to please. I came across a random activity and started it up to find myself sitting on a 4 wheeler...on fire. After spending half an hour ramming things and lighting them on fire, I took a moment to reflect on fuck you, Rockstar.

I want to go to there.

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#44 by Milan Brezovský
2009-05-18 06:48:39
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The worst part of ME was driving/climbing side quests (the driving/shooting itself wasn't that bad).

Cheesy, I think the (4) was supposed to mean "can hack into equipment caches". I used some combo engineer/hacker/psychic class, I think, maybe actually the one that you mentioned, and I liked it. Ultimate pistols and sniper guns were awesome, EMP "spells" were pretty useful, too.

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#45 by Caryn
2009-05-18 06:57:06
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TF2 Spy video. Brilliant. Don't know if its old or new, but I hadn't seen it before. My love for Valve grows.

Brand new, released with the combined Sniper and Spy Updates.

#46 by m0nty
2009-05-18 07:13:31
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#47 by bago
2009-05-18 12:56:35
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Best band name I have heard today: I voted for Kodos.

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#48 by CheesyPoof
2009-05-18 15:15:16
When is the soldier update coming? Fuckers are probably leaving that for last.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#49 by Jamie
2009-05-18 16:36:38
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#37 by Charles

Mass Effect was a great story and presentation wrapped in a mediocre game.

Yes.

Played Plants vs. Zombies or Rock Band 2 this weekend, depending on whether my wife wanted to use the computer or the TV. Gaming diversification FTW!

Rock Band 2 is interesting for me. On the one hand, I'm still getting better at it the more I play. My hand now reflexively slide into place when green or orange notes come up, and I don't even think about it. And the HO/PO largely happen without my thinking about it. And of course I got all the 2-note chord combinations down to reflex level by now. So that's good.

On the other hand, it's clear I have no native talent with this game and the progression is slow. I still can't go halfway down the set list (sorted by difficulty) without hitting a brick wall on Hard. Some stuff just seems like my brain flat out can't grip it. For example, for the life of me I can't pass Go Your Own Way by Fleetwood Mac because of that rapid series of B+O, O notes. My brain just can't figure out how to tell my fingers to hit those for some reason.

Anyway, as long as they keep pumping out the DLC I guess I'll have enough mid-difficulty stuff to choose from. But I would pay $60 right now for a new Rock Band game that let me rate songs (so they could be weighted in random sets) and save set lists.

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#50 by G-Man
2009-05-18 18:33:46
ME is basically just an adventure game ala Indigo Prophecy. More interactive movie than game really.
#51 by Ergo
2009-05-18 18:42:53
No, it isn't. Wrong again.

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#52 by gaggle
2009-05-18 19:16:12
For me it was an action game. I loved that the game respected my lack of interest in its RPG elements and allowed me to just mostly run and gun. Pretty awesome in that respect, difficult to dislike a game that shapes itself to your needs.

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#53 by CheesyPoof
2009-05-18 19:20:27
#52 by gaggle
Pretty awesome in that respect, difficult to dislike a game that shapes itself to your needs.

It's not shaping itself to my needs!!

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#54 by bago
2009-05-18 19:33:53
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When your needs involve a clown, a hamster, and a half-gallon of astroglide, I can see why.

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#55 by Matt Perkins
2009-05-18 20:21:05
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ME is a good game in which presentation and awesomeness carry it over the top to gaming greatness. Sure, it has some flaws, but it's damn fun and interesting. And maybe they decided having a thousand generic worlds to explore wasn't as useful in the second one...

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#56 by Shadarr
2009-05-18 21:16:58
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#11 by Paul

Don't put too much credence in Derek Smart's legal analysis stated in his posts.

Especially since he flat out gets some things wrong.  He says Take2 offered to buy the Duke IP for $30 million, when what actually happened was they offered to sell back the publishing rights for $30 million.

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#57 by Milan Brezovský
2009-05-18 22:06:14
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Derek doesn't seem very smart to me.

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#58 by Whisp
2009-05-19 00:50:47
DNF going down the tubes is worth a post just for old time's sake.
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#59 by LPMiller
2009-05-19 02:22:03
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this doesn't seem right to me

Wasn't scott on here talking about how much money they were getting from take two, and how great a deal it was for them?

Also, WHY WON'T THEY DIE???

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#60 by Hugin
2009-05-19 02:46:42
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Scott Miller full of shit?  How could it be?

"Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
#61 by Caryn
2009-05-19 02:53:44
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Wasn't scott on here talking about how much money they were getting from take two, and how great a deal it was for them?

Quick, to the CrapSifter!! We need to find these posts. Or at least, someone with some time on their hands does.

When you've been sued, aren't you pretty much supposed to shut your mouth? Their lawyers must be having a fit. It has to be a sea of high-priced facepalms right now.

#62 by Charles
2009-05-19 03:05:19
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The studio did confirm that the DNF team has been let go, but expressed a desire to "co-create" games based on the character in the future.


Bahahah!  So they just nuked their dev team so they didn't actually ever have to produce something.  Nice.

No.
#63 by yotsuya
2009-05-19 05:59:47
Caryn, start here. It's good for laughs.

#64 by yotsuya
2009-05-19 06:00:54
My favorite Scott Miller quote:

When people say something like this, they so clearly do not understand marketing at all, especially the principles of positioning. No character can ever topple Duke as the leading WASP action hero, just as no character will ever topple Lara Croft as the leading female action/adventurer. Think of these characters as the Coke and Pepsi of the game industry. These characters earned their leading spots by being the first of their kind, and by being great at what they do. Much like James Bond, who is the quintessential action spy -- there have many many attempts to top Bond but it will never be done, as he was the first and the first practically always wins (unless they self-destruct, but that's another story).

Duke and Lara will be around 20 years from now, still the leading action gaming characters of their type.


He wrote this in 2002.

#65 by yotsuya
2009-05-19 06:06:51
Here's another bit of comedy gold:

I'm sure you know a game wins. Most hit movies cost $40 plus million, and often much higher, so the studio is in a big hole to begin with. DNF will cost $5 million tops to make on all platforms, and make the publisher at least $200 million gross across all platforms. So right away the game has a huge advantage.


So based on LP's linked article, Scott was only off by $15 million dollars.

#66 by yotsuya
2009-05-19 06:12:01
Here's another interesting comment:
FYI, if you read the company's annual report, you'll see that Take2 paid a $12 million fee to acquire the publishing rights to DNF, and the first half was paid upon signing, with the second half due upon the game's release. This is an unrecoupable fee, not a recoupable advance. This fee does not affect royalties. And 3DR still owns the franchise.

This makes it sounds like TakeTwo only paid $6 mil up front, and the other $6 would be due when the game was finished. And is it me, or does it sound like 3DR got paid the 'fee'.

#67 by yotsuya
2009-05-19 06:20:23
One m ore thing- I read where Scott recently refuted the rumor that TakeTwo offered 3DR $30 mil for the Duke franchise, basically saying, 'If they had offered it, we would have taken it in a heartbeat".

If you look at the link I provided for Caryn, the first link is Scott bragging that 3DR was offered $80 mil for the Duke franchise, but that was almost like an insult. It looks like the value of the Duke Nukem brand resembles a lot of peoples' 401k plans right now.

#68 by jjohnsen
2009-05-19 06:22:49
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Nice finds Yot.


On the other hand, it's clear I have no native talent with this game and the progression is slow. I still can't go halfway down the set list (sorted by difficulty) without hitting a brick wall on Hard. Some stuff just seems like my brain flat out can't grip it. For example, for the life of me I can't pass Go Your Own Way by Fleetwood Mac because of that rapid series of B+O, O notes. My brain just can't figure out how to tell my fingers to hit those for some reason.


Yeah, this is me.  It doesn't matter how much my wife and i play, we've both kind of hit a wall.  I still have fun, but I'm not getting any better and some songs and difficulties are just impossible no matter how much I play.

#69 by Gunp01nt
2009-05-19 06:42:18
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Hey guys! I'm still in China. Been in Yangshuo for a few days. The natural scenery is fucking wonderful, but unfortunately it's raining all the time. That does give the place a mysterious air but it makes it less appealing to go bike riding.

Yesterday I did rent a mountain bike and drove to a place called Moon Hill, at the top of which stands a rock with a hole in it (think donut shaped) and after a steep climb you end up with a great view from the donut hole.
There I met a German girl who's travelling alone as well and we decided to go to the Water Cave nearby. Along the way there's a million 'official Water Cafe ticket office, no really: this one is the real thing!' but we ignored those and drove 4km through lush countryside and poor farmers villages. There was no official ticket office at the cave itself, but we haggled the price with the guide and ended up paying 100 yuan for the full-length tour instead of the 180 yuan starting price.

By the time I came back to Yangshuo, I was soaking wet and covered in mud. But a fucking great day it was. Too bad my shoes are still wet, I wanted to go biking northwards today but of course it is still raining as hell and my raincoat and backpack rain cover are still wet..

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#70 by Gunp01nt
2009-05-19 06:44:00
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Oh and I have some new pictures up on Flickr. I'm in an internet cafe that for some reason has poor downstream, but a crazy upstream pipe.

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#71 by gaggle
2009-05-19 06:45:18
Moar gifs and sordid stories about the German girl kthnx

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#72 by Ergo
2009-05-19 06:58:31
Goddamn I hate you, Gunp01nt.*






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#73 by Paul
2009-05-19 07:15:46
Based on GB's press release, it looks like GB - once again - is going to try and play 3d Realms as the David fighting TT the Goliath.  While this may be technically true, GB screwed up in that there was no logical business reason to expend $20 million dollars to get to only this point.

I don't see why GB thought TT would fix his 12 years of poor planning and mistakes by injecting another 5 million into his failed business model.  Funding is not that easy right now and investors aren't that stupid (even in Texas).

I hope SM has taken over the ship.  I could be wrong, but it looks like SM finally convinced GB to convert 3d Realms from a development company to an oversight company who contracts with proven development companies to create games based on IP owned by 3d Realms.
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