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Duke Nukem 4 Never?
May 16th 2009, 20:04 MSD by OmegaFoRCe According to Shacknews (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58519) 3D Realms is officially closing doors. What can we learn from 3D Realms' departure from the industry? |
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gaggle: Oh don't be so closeminded. Multitouch is coming and it'll continue growing. We've had the iPhone for a couple years now, we'll see the new Apple mouse introduce a few multitouch gestures into the desktop setting, and the iTouch tablet will become yet another engine for change whenever it arrives. Multitouch makes sense on a handheld phone because you usually don't do a lot of typing on your phone. And even if you do it's mostly for text messages and then it's accepted that text input sucks. Try applying that to the average workstation. Would you write a long e-mail or a report on a touch screen or tablet? I doubt it. Are you kidding wrt the iTouch tablet? Tablets are a thing that have been tried since the 1980s and they never took off then. Because what any tablet designer fails to realize is that most people user their computers as glorified typewriters, not as glorified notepads. She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
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Prediction: Hand wavey interfaces will be for games and children's museum kiosks and presentations, never for general purpose computing, and by the technology is mature enough to be worth spit, we'll already be moving into the direct mental interface era. "Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
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By the time, rather. "Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
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Hugin (#3152): Prediction: Hand wavey interfaces will be for games and children's museum kiosks and presentations, never for general purpose computing, and by the technology is mature enough to be worth spit, we'll already be moving into the direct mental interface era. This. We're going to skip all of that minority report stuff in reality and just use our brains. We've already got toys that you can play with your mind, game controllers, etc. Wait until we get that tech worked out so that it's so easy you put a little patch on the side of your head and you can control whatever device it's linked to with thoughts. Nothing will be that. "Fucking Radio Shack. It's a wonder they even know how to use a bathroom and don't just walk around all day with shit in their pants." - smds
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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er, beat that. "Fucking Radio Shack. It's a wonder they even know how to use a bathroom and don't just walk around all day with shit in their pants." - smds
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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Although Hugin generally agreed with my predictions he does not appear to understand my central thesis, which is that the reason alternative user i/o paradigms will fail for workstation use for the vast majority of users has nothing to do with technological barriers or particular implementation problems, it is because the existing interface is superior conceptually to any of the proposed alternatives. Moreover, the mind control stuff is not what you think it is. It either senses minute physical movements that you "train" and associate with a particular broad "thought" or it senses very high level biofeedback such as heart rate, galvanic skin response, generalized electrical brain activity, etc. It does not provide anywhere near the capabilities of a functional MRI, and even if it could, the most advanced functional MRI technology could never enable any kind of a mind controlled interface with a decent enough resolution and granularity to outcompete direct input. I am reasonably certain that barring a nanotechnology/quantum computing revolution the ramifications of which I cannot even fully conceive of, it can never truly work as a viable technology. Anyway, if you are looking for a real revolution in computing you need to look at mobile and wearable computing and advances in display technology. These are the developments that will drive new interfaces, not anything going on at the workstation level. |
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ZZZzZzzzzzzz "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble |
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If we're suddenly seriously suggesting mind control I'd like to point out the even bigger UI advantages of moon ponies. They're made of stardust! Bringing it closer to home I'd argue the ordinary user does has a use for gestures. They have so right now even. I wouldn't use a mouse on my Macbook if I could, I'm using gestures to scroll, zoom and rotate all the time. My lame uncontroversial prediction is that's a featureset that'll only grow larger. And on the iPhone I'd say parents took to zooming on google maps like a fish to water and that's no unique situation at all. And that's a trend that's growing. The new Apple mouse is another example, bringing gestures to the ordinary desktop. I bet it'll morph into much more within the coming five years. Based on that axis I can't see how multitouch won't keep growing. I do believe in an iTablet-like device and I'm hardly alone. Hell there's already plenty of hype just over the rumor that Apple might be making one. Whatever shape a multitouch enabled desktop will take it'll make for another huge push into multitouch and gestures. It'll be a threshold event when, when!, multitouch becomes integrated onto the desktop. Windows already has tightly integrated support for this with their sexy popup keyboards and handwriting recognition. Multitouch is here already. It'll grow at a sufficiently slow pace so that everyone can follow along without getting too confoozled, but that's the difference between realworld products and the Minority Report-style handweaving bullshit. |
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#3156 by G-Man Although Hugin generally agreed with my predictions he does not appear to understand my central thesis, I was stating my own opinion on the topic, not referencing your thesis. If I merely agreed with you I would have quoted you and said "I agree with G-Man." "Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
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then hell would have automatically dropped 40 degrees, and monkeys would fly. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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Hugin (#3159): #3156 by G-Man Although Hugin generally agreed with my predictions he does not appear to understand my central thesis, I was stating my own opinion on the topic, not referencing your thesis. If I merely agreed with you I would have quoted you and said "I agree with G-Man." Ah! But if you had understdood his thesis then you would have agreed with him. |
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All G-man wants is some love and understdanding. |
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#3158 by gaggle It'll be a threshold event when, when!, multitouch becomes integrated onto the desktop. Windows already has tightly integrated support for this with their sexy popup keyboards and handwriting recognition. That's not even the half off it, watching this video makes the fansy UI features that are nice enough with out it look like they where designed for touch. I also find it funny that you, and most other people that support the idea, forget that multitouch desktop is already avalible to consumers. HP sells the TouchSmart series of multitouch desktop that nobody appears to give two shits about. Don't forget garnishes such as: Fish shaped solid waste.
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Well, the high failure rate of those touch screens would be one reason for that. Also, even when they work, it's not better then the mouse, and the mouse doesn't leave fingerprints all over the screen. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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None-1a (#3163): HP sells the TouchSmart series of multitouch desktop that nobody appears to give two shits about. That may be partly a failure of marketing. I'd certainly never heard of them until you mentioned them. I'd suggest that an upward or downward flick on a screen is a more intuitive way of scrollling than using a mouse. More satisfying too, somehow. So touch does have its uses in day-to-day interaction. "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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My first draft included vague details such as "a popular consumer touchbased desktop" and whatnot, implicating that no one gives a shit about the HP ones. The one I tried briefly was shit too, running some custom software that I didn't much for. Might be a gamechanger if Windows 7 does it natively though. |
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Don't be hatin' on the scroll wheel. It's a sacred artifact. A round pizza with radius 'z' and thickness 'a' has the volume pi*z*z*a. Coincidence? I think not.
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Bago, the point is that the average user does not ever do this. Not because the tools aren't good enough, but because they have no data to analyze nor do they want to have data to analyze or whatever. I want to take issue with this. While this might be true for your average walmart style consumer with a hundred bucks to blow, it certainly isn't true for the upper echelons of business. If you're already running three page long SQL queries against terabytes of data to hunt for emerging trends or a business justification, you are probably good enough with numbers to find what you're looking for. The problem is making your point in a clear enough manner that even management can understand what you are driving at. If this requires a 5-10 thousand dollar device to do realtime manipulation of dozens of charts and graphs, people will buy it. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the profits that advanced visualizations in business intelligence can provide. REMEMbER DESCENT THE HIGHEST FORM of PATRIOTiC
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bago (#3168): That's a drop in the bucket compared to the profits that advanced visualizations in business intelligence can provide. Speaking as someone who actually does business intelligence day in, day out, the only profits from "advanced" BI tools are those going to the vendors of "advanced" BI tools. Even the hallowed dashboard is a useless crock of shit. The more I see of people's ACTUAL needs, the more simple my method of delivering them becomes. If more people knew you can run SQL in Excel, BusinessObjects et al would be done for. "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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Huh, that's a pretty cool presentation of Windows 7 and the touchscreen computer. Thanks. |
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#3169 by TreeFrog Speaking as someone who actually does business intelligence day in, day out, the only profits from "advanced" BI tools are those going to the vendors of "advanced" BI tools. Even the hallowed dashboard is a useless crock of shit. The more I see of people's ACTUAL needs, the more simple my method of delivering them becomes. If more people knew you can run SQL in Excel, BusinessObjects et al would be done for. Agreed. (See, like that G-Man) "Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
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Someone: "the point is that the average user does not ever do this." Bago: "the upper echelons of business ... 5-10 thousand dollar device ... people will buy it" |
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#3166 by gaggle The one I tried briefly was shit too, running some custom software that I didn't much for. Might be a gamechanger if Windows 7 does it natively though. Well as you seen in the video windows 7 does support it natively however HP still layers on their custom UI that's a hold over from vista They'll probably keep it until the hardware/OS evolves to a point where they'll need to do a total rewrite. Still I just can't see touch screen desktops takeing off. People buying desktop expect some flexability with what it can do, a mouse/keyboard gives them that while keeping device use swaping to a minimum. Why keep moveing your hand between mouse/keyboard/screen when you can stick with mouse/keyboard and do all of the same stuff? I can see a resurgence of tablet pc's (with out all the suck of stylus and other bullshit from before) and the idea getting heavy use on netbooks. The laptop form has already sacrficed some flexability for portability so you can get away with a keyboard/touch screen interface that keeps keyboard use to a minimum with out people winning nearly as much about not being able to do something. Plus it gets rid of the much hated touchpad. Don't forget garnishes such as: Fish shaped solid waste.
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Is business intelligence the new euphemism for corporate espionage? I think our man TreeFrog is a spy! <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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Let's pyro-check him. Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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Someone: "the point is that the average user does not ever do this." Bago: "the upper echelons of business ... 5-10 thousand dollar device ... people will buy it" An excellent distillation of my point. REMEMbER DESCENT THE HIGHEST FORM of PATRIOTiC
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Sorry, maybe I bolded the wrong word. point. |
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What proof do you think distilled point runs? REMEMbER DESCENT THE HIGHEST FORM of PATRIOTiC
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You can easily disable that custom UI, it's not that big of a deal. And Vista actually natively supports the HP touchscreen as well, so it's not even that big a deal that Win 7 does. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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This seems an appropriate thread to say: RIP Crunchpad Arrington really doesn't hesitate to twist the knife, does he? It sounds like it was going to be an exciting, reasonably priced item that was hackable enough to make me drool. Shame. "when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully." Samuel Johnson
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Given that he compares the relationship with their partner to Apple/Foxconn, the partner must've been responsible for manufacturing and is fucking them over now the R&D is done. That sucks, and Arrington doesn't seem to have any hope of finding another manufacturing partner and get the thing to market for himself. She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
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Even I, the Pluto of the social media constellation, knew of this device. Hope he finds a way that doesn't posting huge virtual sighs and making frowny faces. |
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This is a pretty bad article. It foregoes the fact that the 'free' laptop with your cell phone plan comes at the cost of a twice-as-high monthly fee. Only idiots fall for that. And if cell phone plan freebies are weirding out the economics of consumer electronics, then why do most people still go out and buy their laptops, media players, televisions, etc.? They sure as hell don't get a new cell phone plan everytime they want a new gadget, do they? Besides, what's wrong with catering to a niche market? That's what the Crunchpad seemed to be aiming for, at least initially. Lots of companies successfully cater to niche markets. She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
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I'm working on an installation for a science museum that explores some, to use Hugin's term, "hand wavey" interface stuffs. Multitouch, gestural, and tactile UI will catch on long before the more ephemeral, abstract hand wavey stuff though. One bit of information in support of that broad assumption, the data divide that hampered minorities (who lacked internet connections and home computers) is being bridged by smartphones. African-American and hispanic minorities are the fastest growing smartphone demographic, using text messaging and internet services more than their white counterparts (a recent study showed, I forget the name or I'd link to it). Their inability to afford a home net connection and a computer or laptop has made them consolidate their telephony and tube usage with one device. As more people turn to smaller devices to consume the tubes and perform basic computing tasks, be they netbooks, tablets, ebook readers, smartphones, or whatever, touch interfaces become more enticing. Rather than saddling users with one or two ways to interact with the scores of disparate content they could potentially encounter on a smartphone (a crap, tiny keyboard and a thinkpad style clit-ball-mouse or, worse, a D-pad like the Motorola Android/Droid pairing), a touch screen offers far more variety in designing interfaces for that content. The iPhone is more versatile than a Blackberry, yadda yadda. I think workstations will be relegated to a select few who need something other than a cloud for heavy lifting, or at work (video editing in OSX vs. internet browsing in Chrome OS), leaving most people to use smart phones or tablets for large swaths of personal browsing. I think that a consumer tablet like the ill-fated CrunchPad would be well suited to the changing market. The mythical Apple Tablet (iBook moniker revival, maybe?) is rumored to be a direct competitor with the Kindle and Nook with an equal focus on music and video consumption and internet browsing, and I think, if it isn't totally vaporware, might just be what pushes the average computer user away from a traditional tower - especially in light of the information saying the largest growing demographic of internet users is experiencing it for the first time on smartphones or similar devices. Interesting times for this sort of stuff. |
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#3184 by Penguinx African-American and hispanic minorities are the fastest growing smartphone demographic, using text messaging and internet services more than their white counterparts (a recent study showed, I forget the name or I'd link to it). Their inability to afford a home net connection and a computer or laptop has made them consolidate their telephony and tube usage with one device. Really? I'd think a net capable cell phone with the accompanying plan would be a lot more expensive than a home net connection? Maybe those prices are different in the US, but if you want to do an amount of web browsing on your phone that is comparable to what you'd do on a home machine, you're paying through the nose. She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
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Most US plans have flat/unlimited rates for Data. I get unlimited web browsing on my Sidekick for only $20. 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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American cell phone contracts are pretty brutal anyway, maybe they're just used to being screwed. Y'all still pay for incoming minutes? "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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We do pay for incoming minutes, but at least my plan seems to be getting better, not worse. They add things like unlimited calling between other cell phone users, or free calling to any 10 numbers you want. Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
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In Slovakia, on a prepaid card, they're PAYING YOU if you receive calls from the OTHER network. Isn't life grand? Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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Apparently part of the trend is because text messaging is a convenient, cost effective way for people to keep in touch with loved ones in Mexico. I was surprised to hear it, but, yes, minorities are the largest growing segment of internet/smartphone users. |
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In Slovakia, cellphone company pays you? "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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Just one company on that pre-paid programme. It began as a promo, then they've added limits and later they've made it optional and added even monthly fee for that. It ran for a decade, so they must consider it successful. Basically you've made something like $0.04 per minute, which was like 1/10 of a cost for a minute of call to other network / 2/10 of cost to your network. Did I mention we've never had any costs for incoming texts / calls ever, except for roaming? Also, Slovak and Czech republic were regularly in Top 3 European states in text messages per inhabitant. Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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#3186 by Gunp01nt Maybe those prices are different in the US, but if you want to do an amount of web browsing on your phone that is comparable to what you'd do on a home machine, you're paying through the nose. Most smartphone data plans in the US are rather resonable, $20-30 unlimited is that standard for that stuff. Where they fuck you here is with required voice plans, tethering/data cards, or prepay. In theory it's possible to get unlimted data, text, and a usable amount of voice for $60-70 a month (not counting taxes and other small fees), however most companies lock smartphones out of their cheapest voice plans bloating the cost up to $80-$110. The tethering/data card plans tend to be twice the price for a 5gig limit with overage between 5-50 cents per meg. Prepay is a mess I've seen 'unlimited' voice/text/data plans advertised as low as $45 a month which really means $45 a month minimum while daily access fees would burn that in two weeks of daily use. Don't forget garnishes such as: Fish shaped solid waste.
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Looking at global statistics of one web \"counter\" provider, I wonder how accurate are their data on mobile phone OS coverage. Also, speaking of unlimited data, T-mobile tried to charge me $900 for data from last month - because I've deactivated redundant data service, which I didn't need as I have "unlimited" transfers with BlackBerry Internet Service. |
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Did you manage to get that bill dropped? As for web stats/analytics services: especially Google Web Analytics produces results that I find suspect. Certain keyword searches came up multiple times that were very unlikely to happen again. Then I even tried to find my own site using a very rare combination of keywords (which had never led people to my site before) and those too ended up returning multiple times after I first used them. Weird. Now I use Clicky and I like it. She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
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Maybe you can consider world cruises. |
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Gunpoint! See what your 'sea of dicks' signature caused?! Someone now wants you tu cruise them. Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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It's only appropriate that DNF thread is going to be pushed down in a while*. *a couple of months Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
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So whats this kerfuffle I've heard about dnf actually being really real for reals this time? |
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