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Modern Warfare 2 - No Dedicated Servers. Are other developers going to follow suit?
November 11th 2009, 17:00 MSK by teenageriot Could this be the start of a new trend in order to try to squeeze more money out of the PC community? Although this recent announcement has sent shockwaves through the PC gaming community, I think the overall response has been rather mild. Currently the petition in favor of the Dedicated Servers holds little over 140,000 signatures, I'd imagine with changes as chocking as these we would stand together to prevent this from happening in the future. Again, with the new IWnet matchmaking system they are getting rid of the following: no more choosing what level you want to play no more connecting to a low ping games by choice no more clan matches no more mods no more custom maps no more filtering matches no more joining on to a game with all your mates no more high capacity matches (eg. 30/40/50 people in a match) no more benifits of playing online over the console version link to the petition link to article explaining the new matchmaking system What do you think? |
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Love the new tagline. "I was content enough with the content they gave me." - Cheesy
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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I'm on the Gamefly wagon again, for this month, so I'm going to try and get MW2 from them, but it's not likely. |
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CS sucks about as much as WoW. Read it any way you want, they still have millions of players. Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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#21 by Matt Perkins Love the new tagline. Tagline is still "THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!". Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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And millions of people watch American Idol, but it still sucks. "CS is still one of the best, and fun, tactical FPS multiplayer games out there." -- Perkins
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In one of them you're leveling up your persistent character, and in the other you're engaging in tedious busywork. CS sucked. I cannot avoid responding to this obvious troll. The in-game "economy" aspects of CS are not tedious busywork, they are a mechanism to add "inertia" to a particular team's wins or losses and smooth out some of the random nature of the game on a team versus team level. From a gameplay perspective it adds another layer of strategic depth in terms of choices for losing teams to make. The real problem with CS is that the game is rarely played how it was intended (i.e. with stable, relatively evenly matched teams that cooperate and communicate well) except at an expert level, at which point the game becomes insanely boring. Ever watch professional CS tournaments? |
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no, I have a life. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble |
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Then why did you preorder L4D? |
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Because, unlike you, gaggle, he's not an effete, pretentious snob and actually enjoys playing games rather than navel-gaze over things he knows next to nothing about. "THE FUCKING KITTY LITTER FUCKING BOMB GHRHGURHGUHGRUGHRUGHURHGURHGHHGHUAHUHU KITTY" -- greg
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Fuck you, I'm not effete! |
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My apologies, then. "THE FUCKING KITTY LITTER FUCKING BOMB GHRHGURHGUHGRUGHRUGHURHGURHGHHGHUAHUHU KITTY" -- greg
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G-Man (#26): The real problem with CS is that the game is rarely played how it was intended (i.e. with stable, relatively evenly matched teams that cooperate and communicate well) except at an expert level, at which point the game becomes insanely boring. Ever watch professional CS tournaments? Yeah, I agree completely with this. I still play it from time to time, but only for nostaglia sake. It was pretty good back in the day when I knew of a couple of servers that had good people trying to work as teams and was well moderated. "I was content enough with the content they gave me." - Cheesy
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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So since the game unlocked on Steam, I'd just like to say that the matchmaking works awesomely and I'd much rather use this than deal with dedicated servers and idiot admins. \"Making love to a woman is like working on an assembly line. No matter how good you are at it, you\'ll eventually be replaced by a foreigner or a machine.\"
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Also, holy fucking god the leveling in multiplayer is addictive. I never got into MP in the first COD because it blew on the PC, but this is great. \"Making love to a woman is like working on an assembly line. No matter how good you are at it, you\'ll eventually be replaced by a foreigner or a machine.\"
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My first match I got a five-kill streak and the kill I got with that kill streak reward was the final kill of the match, so everyone got to watch the glorious replay of me smoking a dude with a remote-controlled missile. I got an award for having the highest k/d ratio (6/1) and an award for having the fewest deaths. Then I played about five more games and did horribly in them all, but still. That first game was pretty sweet. "CS is still one of the best, and fun, tactical FPS multiplayer games out there." -- Perkins
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Wow, MW2 sold 4.7 million units on its first freaking DAY. |
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Quadruple A games! Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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Recession! |
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lwf (#38): Recession! Proof! "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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lwf (#38): Recession! Tell me about it. I'm still plodding through Far Cry 2 (literally - I walk everywhere in that game, there are far too many guard posts and marauding Jeeps to do otherwise). |
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I remember boating a bunch, and driving offroad to avoid the jeeps. Loved offroading and driving amongst a herd of animals. Good times. |
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I still need to finish Dead Space. I'm at the final boss fight (at least I think it's the final one) and it's pretty tough. Still not used to the gamepad. Then I think I'll continue with Far Cry 2 as well. And of course in the mean time I've picked up Lego Star Wars 2 (Original trilogy) and PGR3 which I might never actually end up playing, but those were cheap so it's okay. "IT consultant of perfect lovemaking art."
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I am reminded that I need to get back into Forza 3. MW2? meh. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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I just finished the single player of MW2 and ohmygodohmygod. I never played Modern Warfare 1 and only really decided to play this one because I figured it was popular and as a game dev I should really be able to reference it. Oh my GOD, that was hands-down one of the best game experiences I've EVER had. I'm so glad I decided to play it. It's sad to me that people want to measure its worth by the quantity of hours. Those hours I spent with it this weekend were quality-wise far and above some of the 20-30 hour games I've played in the past. This surpassed its $60 price tag in quality, to me. I can't recall a single game that made me have literal lumps in my throat or nearly drop the controller with excitement, or nearly leap off the couch and shout "NOOOOOOOO!" because of storyline twists and excitement. I haven't even tried Spec Ops or MP yet. Gonna try at least MP tomorrow. Also, I have a serious crush on Soap MacTavish. |
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Caryn - Soap is your main character in the first Modern Warfare. Suffice to say, I punched the air in celebration towards the end of MW2. \"Making love to a woman is like working on an assembly line. No matter how good you are at it, you\'ll eventually be replaced by a foreigner or a machine.\"
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Slight MW2 spoilers... Yep, I finished the sp campaign recently too and thought it was tightly constructed, awesome, and completely devoid of filler. Just one set piece after another. A lot like Halo ODST, except even more so since they don't have the overworld stuff. Yes, it's completely over the top, like Michael Bay and Tom Clancy had a drunken love baby, but it really works. The airport scene for better or worse was amazing, and the very end was great, too. I was yelling at the TV, "Wait, I have a KNIFE! It's right THERE! COME ON!" and lo and behold... I'm going through getting the low hanging achievements and dabbling is Special Ops and multiplayer now. One other thing I really like about MW2 is that the none of the achievements are multiplayer-specific unless you want to count Special Ops. None of them requires you to get a certain rank in multiplayer or unlock a certain number of killstreak bonuses or anything. I guess they thought the ranks and unlocks were their own achievements. As someone who promptly got his ass handed to himself in multiplayer, I appreciate this. Caryn, if you or anyone else wants some coop help on the Special Ops stuff, let me know if you see me online. |
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Also, Caryn, you should go back and play COD4 (a.k.a., MW1). Its single player campaign was also really good. |
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Drats. The first one didn't really grab me at all (apart from the C130 level), so if they're samey it probably spells doom upon my enjoyment of MW2. Whenever I might get to it. |
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gaggle, MW2 is significantly better than CoD4. I didn't like that one either and this one is great. "CS is still one of the best, and fun, tactical FPS multiplayer games out there." -- Perkins
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Thinking... |
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I liked MW1 a little better at first, as the opening missions in MW2 are a little bleh. Especially South America. But once you're past that, it's fucking ace. |
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Tried both MP and Spec Ops today. Loved both. Matt and I played some split screen Spec Ops (Jamie, if you ever want to do co-op Spec Ops we should give it a try sometime) and that was really fun. But I'm HOOKED on MP. Didn't think I'd like it at all but now I'm addicted. I've been playing it all day with breaks to eat, do laundry, and feed the alpacas. I'm around level 12 or so now, I think. |
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Are you playing on the PC or the 360, Caryn? Also, do you go back and play MW1, it's good stuff. The best single player experience I've had in an FPS. (I haven't played MW2 yet) "Fucking Radio Shack. It's a wonder they even know how to use a bathroom and don't just walk around all day with shit in their pants." - smds
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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I'm playing on the 360. |
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#44 by Caryn I just finished the single player of MW2 and ohmygodohmygod. I never played Modern Warfare 1 and only really decided to play this one because I figured it was popular and as a game dev I should really be able to reference it. Oh my GOD, that was hands-down one of the best game experiences I've EVER had. I'm so glad I decided to play it. You really need to play the first one, it's one of my favorite shooters ever. |
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Yeah, MW1 was great. It just had that combat feeling done very well. "IT consultant of perfect lovemaking art."
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MW1 was pretty great. I found MW2 to be a little patchy, but I was playing on Veteran, so I kept getting my ass handed to me. I think I played through MW1 on normal and then possibly cranked the difficulty up later on. I did played on Vet because I am an achievement whore. I couldn't imagine playing it on hardened. The story in MW2 was blah at best, MW1 actually had some kind of plausible basis in reality. However, if you're playing Call of Duty for an engaging story, you're a fucking moron. Cool setpieces and big explosions and frantic action FTMFW. Highlights of the game: -the Stealth level. Really neat twist on an otherwise horrible FPS idea. They did a really great job with running around a military base unseen. -Repelling off the cliff. This is near the end of the game, so I wont say too much other than holy fuck that was brutal. -The BBEG fight. Again, a neat take on what is otherwise a horrible gameplay crutch. -The snow mobile section. This is the escape after the stealth level goes to shit. Racing down a mountain on a snow mobile with Russian soldiers chasing you on vehicles. Motherfucking James Bond shit right there. -Walking out of the DC bunker for the first time. Sure, this bit is in the trailers, but the sound effects, music, and visuals were really well done and made quite the impact. |
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NOLF did snowmobile chases first. |
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And Wolfenstein did fpses first. What's your point? |
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#58 by G-Man NOLF did snowmobile chases first. But the controls sucked. "IT consultant of perfect lovemaking art."
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Selling pirated copies is for idiots. Heh. Talking on twitter with a hologram maker? FFS. Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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Twitter as a piracy platform, hmm... A round pizza with radius 'z' and thickness 'a' has the volume pi*z*z*a. Coincidence? I think not.
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After waiting almost a full week with Modern Warfare 2 at the top of my rental queue at Gamefly, with my other game already safely in their hands and no discernible rush to send me another, I finally got...Assassin's Creed 2. Which is fine, it just wasted a week of my rental time. |
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I've been paying attention to a lot of the gaming writers talk about MW2 on various podcasts, and Christ, I've been amazed at how many of them can't understand the plot of the game. Maybe Infinity Ward is at fault for not being clear enough, but it's not exactly rocket science. \"Making love to a woman is like working on an assembly line. No matter how good you are at it, you\'ll eventually be replaced by a foreigner or a machine.\"
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Well, the story is pretty ridiculously convoluted and really disjointed. |
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Yeah, but asking questions like "What's the point of No Russian" isn't MW2's fault, I reckon. Especially not when it's some guy on the Sarcastic Gamer podcast saying that since you were supposed to be taking Makarov down, what was the point of that entire level... among other examples. I HATE GAMES WRITING/PEOPLE. \"Making love to a woman is like working on an assembly line. No matter how good you are at it, you\'ll eventually be replaced by a foreigner or a machine.\"
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The lobby system is killing me. I spend more time being thrown around between games than I do playing. "Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen."
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That's exactly what I don't like about "intelligent" matchmaking systems. They might end up being stupid in some situations and frustrate players, and yes, even when browsers are ugly and annoying when you "just want to play" a good game with even opponents, they still give you the choice. I don't understand why they don't add them as option B (with possible penalties like no XP gained to avoid abuse, but still). Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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I don't understand why they don't add them as option B (with possible penalties like no XP gained to avoid abuse, but still). Because it's likely a completely different net code that you can't just "add in"? That's like saying that I can just add in a different engine in my car. I mean, really, how is that a problem? I just strap it on, right? Then I'd have two working engines to drive my car with!! I love it when people complain about something lacking in a game and they say, "they can just add it in!" No, you really can't just add in 90% of what you're complaining about. |
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