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E3 seems to be back for good, so let's have a celebratory E3 thread
June 14th 2010, 20:05 MSD by G-Man With E3 2010 set to open today and continue through Thursday it looks like E3's position as the preeminent videogame marketing event is once again secure, having survived the mini-E3's of 2007 and 2008. Activision Blizzard is still a notable holdout, being the only major publisher without a large booth presence, but (relative) new kids on the block like Warner Bros., Bethesda and Disney Interactive have taken their place. 2010 also looks like it will be another year dominated by sequels, with the only publishers showcasing a lot of titles based on new IP or new franchises being Bethesda, Tecmo and Disney. Let's take a look at the titles that are expected to be revealed. Wikipedia has a nice breakdown of the notable titles being displayed, and Gamespot has an interactive showfloor map as well. My short list of interesting console titles is Deus Ex: Human Revolution to be published by Square-Enix, Rock Band 3 to be shown by MTV Games, Disney's Epic Mickey, and Sega's new Aliens game. Capcom is showing Okamiden which is a DS based sequel to Okami that is being developed by the same people who did the excellent Wii port, as well as Dead Rising 2. Interestingly Dead Rising 2 is supposed to also get a PC release. Konami's slate of titles seems pretty weak, except for a Rush'N Attack reboot which seems like a fun idea, and a Castlevania reboot which was badly needed. On the PC side of things (not counting Deus Ex above) the most exciting publisher is 2K, which is showing Mafia II, Civilization V, and most importantly the new X-COM. Bethesda is showing Fallout: New Vegas and iD's Rage, both of which I am kind of meh about. They are also showing Brink however, which seems to be positioning itself as the next Borderlands. Finally, LucasArts is showing Star Wars: The Old Republic again, which I guess someone might care about, and Valve is showing Portal 2 as well as some other "surprise" title. Turning to the big console publishers, Sony is showing nothing I am interested in at all except the new Ape Escape and the Playstation Move stuff. Ditto with Microsoft which is showing nothing but sequels and Project Natal/Kinect stuff. Nintendo definitely has the most exciting offerings this year, with a new Wii Zelda to show and Metroid: Other M, as well as new hardware - the Wii Vitality Sensor and the 3DS successor to the NDS. Rounding out their showings are Pikmin 3 for the Wii and the new Professor Layton entry for the DS. Maybe Nintendo will also surprise people by announcing a North American release for Zangeki no Reginleiv? |
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Well, that's what I do most of the time. But I also don't get pissy about it. "I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
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I'm not pissy about it all. I just don't an advantage as a consumer to preordering. It only helps the people you're preordering with, not me. "the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
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#1535 by LPMiller Do you not get that the shuffle is for people that prefer simpler? I can appreciate where you're coming from, but there's nothing simpler than a two-row, cheap-ass, sleekly monochromatic OLED display. At this point, the only real reason Apple keeps the Shuffle blind is because pretty much everyfuckinggoddamnbody has a screen on their MP3 device, and after holding out for so long, they would look mighty stupid admitting to that fact. They've artificially crafted a niche out of their weakness, and people are apparently buying into it for some reason - more power to Apple, I guess, but don't fucking try to tell me Gramma and Joggy McFitnesson wouldn't gladly sacrifice and extra buck and cc for a screen. They can handle it, trust me. |
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Are you talking about the Nano? I don't understand. Is there something evil about Apple making a version of their player without a screen? Or is the evilness that it's with buttons? Ah nevermind it's all about the iPhone for me anyway. And that AppleTV maybe, if it ever comes out in Denmark… |
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So the old Apple TVs won't be upgraded to have the features like Netflix. But they will still be able to buy stuff. Old Apple TVs can buy and rent, but new Apple TVs can only rent. It's weird that with the new model you don't even have the option to buy. |
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#1554 by gaggle Are you talking about the Nano? No, I was not (but will be shortly). IF (big if) you want a simple joggrndma device, the first Shuffle was damn near perfect. Add a clip to that with incremental SW improvements for a 2nd gen, and I'll even applaud it. Several years later, there's just no excuse for omitting even the most rudimentary display. As for the new Nano - Apple seems to be going about it the same way it had been when the iPod Classic still ruled, and that time it worked out just fine. Possibly even broke the "don't buy 1st gen" mantra. I'm not sure about this new one, though. It looks good, I almost crave one, but a touch screen that tiny... nah. Just merge the two bastard children come next refresh and be done with it. |
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For this to really take off it needs a flat fee sub. I don't want to pay per episode, but a Netflix style sub for all I can watch? Giddy up. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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#1553 by anaqer #1535 by LPMiller Do you not get that the shuffle is for people that prefer simpler? I can appreciate where you're coming from, but there's nothing simpler than a two-row, cheap-ass, sleekly monochromatic OLED display. At this point, the only real reason Apple keeps the Shuffle blind is because pretty much everyfuckinggoddamnbody has a screen on their MP3 device, and after holding out for so long, they would look mighty stupid admitting to that fact. They've artificially crafted a niche out of their weakness, and people are apparently buying into it for some reason - more power to Apple, I guess, but don't fucking try to tell me Gramma and Joggy McFitnesson wouldn't gladly sacrifice and extra buck and cc for a screen. They can handle it, trust me. this is retarded. Did they make a niche, or did they fill one? I think they filled one. Will the shuffle die eventually? Sure, I'm sure even apple would like that. But they wouldn't make them the way the do if people didn't buy them. We get a hold of older model ipods all the time at work, and let me tell you, those shuffles get snapped the fuck up. I don't think it has anything to do with price, either. I think there are just some people that just don't want all the bells and whistles. None of these means Apple is cynical about making the product what those people want. Being cynical would be charging the same price as the nano for one. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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CheesyPoof (#1557): For this to really take off it needs a flat fee sub. I don't want to pay per episode, but a Netflix style sub for all I can watch? Giddy up. Unless the nickel-and-dime price is appropriate, and I can watch all the stuff I want to watch for less than a Netflix or cable subscription. If my cable costs $50 and I watch an average of 5 hours per day, that works out to 33¢ per hour, or less than 17¢ per half hour program. HBO and other premium shows might be worth a premium, but for a nickel-and-diming solution to be viable it needs to in the general price ballpark of "trivial". "I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
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OK, I can't (and don't even want to) argue with your experience, but at a certain point I'll have to just throw that right back at you, because #1558 by LPMiller I think there are just some people that just don't want all the bells and whistles. this is retarded. A screen, any screen, is just not "all the bells and whistles". It's very, very basic. It's not confusing, it's not expensive, it's not particularly battery-exhausting or space-consuming. The omission of it simply makes no sense. |
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You can't really blame Apple for selling stuff to people who want it, though. Apple customers may be stupid, but that's not Apple's fault. And it is morally wrong to allow a fool to keep his money. "I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
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Fair enough. My rant above stems from the fact that otherwise reasonable people still bother to come up with excuses for them. Simplicity my ass. |
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I gotta say, I love my old 2nd gen (the one with the clip) shuffle. I use it every day for the pushbike and running. I guess technically the phone is capable of that too but it's too heavy in the pocket and is usually stashed in my bag. I've never needed a screen because when I'm using the shuffle, I'm too tied up in doing other things to change songs most of the time, let alone browse for new ones. |
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I guess that means you are a fool, then, Owen! #1560 by anaqer OK, I can't (and don't even want to) argue with your experience, but at a certain point I'll have to just throw that right back at you, because #1558 by LPMiller I think there are just some people that just don't want all the bells and whistles. this is retarded. A screen, any screen, is just not "all the bells and whistles". It's very, very basic. It's not confusing, it's not expensive, it's not particularly battery-exhausting or space-consuming. The omission of it simply makes no sense. You need to meet more people. It has nothing at all to do with it being confusing, nor expensive, nor about the battery. Some people prefer simplicity. I don't get what is so hard about that concept. I think you are confusing what you want with a product that is not in fact, for you. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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What does a screen add when you only use random, next track and volume? The only thing I can think of is something to get scratched/broken in a pocket or when you drop it. Don't forget garnishes such as: Fish shaped solid waste.
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I felt the same way as analoger when they first announced the shuffle, but I get it now. It's just a niche device, for a very large niche. I bought the second gen (squarish, clip, buttons) one because my regular ipod was heavy, clumsy to use, and relatively fragile while jogging or working out. The shuffle is tiny, has no moving parts, and clips on to anything. The nano (at the time) was a lot more expensive, had no clip, and would be harder to operate by feel. Even as I bought it I thought I would miss not having a screen, but as I used it I found I really didn't. I just use it like a radio station that plays only songs I like (and are gym appropriate) and that I can skip if I feel like it. So it may only be perfect for people that have an iPod and iTunes and want something small for working out, but that's still a decent amount of people. |
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I have to say, one thing I've never used on the Shuffle is it's namesake, "shuffle". I always, always, always have it set to just play the playlist I've placed on it in the order I placed it. I've never even put it into random mode. |
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That sounds reasonable if you want your order. Why does shuffling not work with your needs? I often to use shuffling, or the highend equivalent "genius", a great deal. But I mostly have one or two tracks on an album so it works with my selection. |
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Apparently Duke Nukem Forever will be debuted at PAX this weekend. Planetcrap has now fulfilled its destiny. http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/03/duke-nukem-forever-rumored-at-pax/ "Who did you say? Johnny...Winters?? So sorry, I don't know the guy!"
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So what happens now? We self-destruct? "One part disembowels me while another slowly eats its way through the gas line. As I bleed out on the floor, it reminds me that I need to buy milk." - Jibble
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I think I'd rather self-destruct than play Duke Nukem Forever. BUYBUYBUY
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#1569 by Xero Apparently Duke Nukem Forever will be debuted at PAX this weekend. Planetcrap has now fulfilled its destiny. http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/03/duke-nukem-forever-rumored-at-pax/ Yeah, it's official 2K Games publishing and Gearbox finishing the development. I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm kind of disappointed. blog | Twitter | The Psychology of Gaming
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@Jamie You write the Psychology of Gaming? I love that fucking website, spend almost as much time there as I do on Giant Bomb and Rock, Paper, Shotgun. Good job dude. "Who did you say? Johnny...Winters?? So sorry, I don't know the guy!"
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How is that possible? There isn't enough content on Jamie's site to compare with those other sites. This is not an attack on Jamie's site. I like his site, but he only posts like once a week. |
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I guess what Xero is saying is that he doesn't spend much time at all on gaming sites, and of that little time a lot of it is spent on PoG. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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#1573 by Xero @Jamie You write the Psychology of Gaming? I love that fucking website, spend almost as much time there as I do on Giant Bomb and Rock, Paper, Shotgun. Good job dude. Yah, that's me. Glad you like it! But like G-Man said, I only post one thing a week. You must not be spending long on those other sites, then? blog | Twitter | The Psychology of Gaming
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I for one spend considerably more time on PsychoG than all those other sites combined. "I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
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@Jamie Yep, its quality over content for me. I tend to just monitor my Google Reader feed and rarely visit actual game sites. I actually visit your site in real time. Take the complement for what it is. "Who did you say? Johnny...Winters?? So sorry, I don't know the guy!"
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Complement accepted! blog | Twitter | The Psychology of Gaming
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Are you saying that you read RPS and Giant Bomb in Reader through their RSS feeds but only occasionally visit their actual sites, so even though you read significantly more content from those two sites (because they produce significantly more content) than you do from Jamie's, you visit all three about as often? That's a lot of conditions for a compliment. BUYBUYBUY
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That'll teach you to express positive emotions in here, Xero. "One part disembowels me while another slowly eats its way through the gas line. As I bleed out on the floor, it reminds me that I need to buy milk." - Jibble
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@TreeFrog Sometimes I forget why walked away from this fucking troll incubator. Is Bob still here then? "Who did you say? Johnny...Winters?? So sorry, I don't know the guy!"
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If you get snippy when asked a simple question, I can see why you'd want to avoid anything that requires communication. BUYBUYBUY
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Where else would have him? Apart from qt3. "One part disembowels me while another slowly eats its way through the gas line. As I bleed out on the floor, it reminds me that I need to buy milk." - Jibble
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This isn't a troll incubator, hasn't been for a long time. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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anaqerrrrr is wrong, None-1a and LP are right. It's not about whether or not it's inexpensive to add a screen -- that's looking at the product from the industrial side. Consumers do two things with a shuffle: hit Play/Pause and hit Next. They link the simplicity and tactile nature of actual buttons when they're using their shuffle as a background task. Fumbling with a screen while you're jogging and shit isn't what they want to do. |
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I'm on Ping. I have no idea what I'll get out of it, but like every other type of new social networking I am compelled to try it. Add me if you wish to know my listening habits (or whatever the hell it tracks). |
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I'll never buy that new Nano. I like being able to hit pause and play on my current Nano without taking it out of my pocket to see where the button is. |
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What I think is interesting about the screen vs. buttons thing is how it shows that just because something is considered a more advanced technological innovation -- touch screen > physical buttons -- it doesn't mean that it's the right usability solution for the device in the context it's going to be used in. You certainly wouldn't slap a touch screen on a device primarily used by the blind. In a way this is similar: actual, physical buttons are much easier to use on a device that people frequently use without actually looking at it. It makes perfect sense, and Apple knows this because they probably did a bunch of testing on how people used that device versus other versions of the iPod. |
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That's what I hate about using my iPhone as a music player. Every time I want to change track I have to get it out of my pocket, unlock it and then look for the right button, none of which I have to do with my old 30GB iPod. I would never buy a Touch. "One part disembowels me while another slowly eats its way through the gas line. As I bleed out on the floor, it reminds me that I need to buy milk." - Jibble
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HAHA BLACKBERRIES ROCKER BUTTON Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
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Also, fuck things without a display. This world needs more displays. I would have status display on a pen and paper if I could. OK, maybe not really. This world needs less information to manage. Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
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Jj, won't the nano have physical buttons on the headset? Maybe that helps a little? |
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I have, with very limited success, made use of the iPhone voice control feature. It's interesting but ultimately I unlock the screen and do it with fingers. I do make heavy use of the headset buttons though, for skipping songs, volume and pause. |
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Gaggle, it might but I don't usually use the Apple headsets because the version they've used in the past couple of years doesn't fit my freakishly small earholes. |
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Well any headset with the that triple-button thing on it works, I bought some Klipsch ones I've been pretty happy with. |
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TreeFrog (#1590): That's what I hate about using my iPhone as a music player. Every time I want to change track I have to get it out of my pocket, unlock it and then look for the right button, none of which I have to do with my old 30GB iPod. I would never buy a Touch. you know you can just double-click the home button on your iphone and it will bring up an itunes control while the phone is locked, right? Not as simple as the ipod classic, true. But slightly better than having to unlock the phone everytime you pull it out of your pocket. |
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There is a little problem with that though. If you don't lock it again (or double click home) it acts just like the phone was unlocked. Really fucking annoying to hit next, get something you love, then shuffle when you drop it back into a pocket. Don't forget garnishes such as: Fish shaped solid waste.
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It reacts in your pocket? The *touchscreen* reacts? Aren't you describing a problem that occurs with physical buttons? Hmmm... |
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And I repeat: hold down your volume up/down button for a split second. Skip to next song. Easy as that. Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
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